After the storm…Recovering waterlogged guns and ammo.

With all the flooding in South East Texas, the first priority is to get your family to safety! Way down the list of priorities is recovering firearms. But there will be guns lost in the flood… So, what to do if your guns were submerged for any period of time? This is what I would do if I had the time…. (Note, this is just my general opinion, your mileage may vary)

Chances are, most guns will be ruined after a few days. But you can attempt to save them.

If possible…. Get them out of the the water. Get them broken down as far as you know how to break them down. This includes lifting the side plates off revolvers, removing grips, opening any part that can be opened. You tube is a great source to watch a video on how to strip a gun down to the frame. You might damage you gun by trying to take it apart the wrong way, but leaving it full of water will rust it out and eat the finish anyway. So may as well try to save it.

Dry them off (paper towels, hair dryer, bag of dry rice, whatever). Then, hit any visible surface rust with 0000 steel wool and a a few drops of oil. The super fine 0000 steel wool is still safe for polished blue and polished stainless, just use light pressure. Just enough pressure to get the rust. Then oil the hell out of it. Don’t reassemble right away. Keep an eye on it several days for any additional rust formation. If doing multiple guns, zip lock baggies are your friend for keeping parts organized. Don’t let screws and springs from multiple guns get mixed together…

Any wood stock should be removed and allowed to air dry for several days. They may warp or split, so don’t be shocked if it happens. But since they are like a sponge full of water, you have to keep them separate from the metal parts, or it will rust through them. All screws, sling swivels, butt plates/pads need to come off, and vet cleaned, dried, and oiled.

If you have a sight pusher and can remove pistol sights, get them off and clean underneath them, or rust can from in the dovetail. Scopes, red dot sights, and iron sight should also be removed and cleaned. Yes, aluminum rails and mounts won’t rust, but the screws are all steel and need to be taken out and cleaned/oiled. Pull off all the grips, let the wood dry out. Oil all the grip screws and bushings. Magazines should be unloaded cleaned inside and out. The water is full of silt and that silt is in the magazine body. Plastic and aluminum won’t rust, but that mag spring is steel, and it will rust if not cleaned and oiled.

Shotgun ammo will be gone if submerged any real length of time. But most modern factory ammo for rifle/pistol has a sealed primer, and should be fine if it sits in the water for a while. If it sits a few days? Then you may have some issues with some rounds. I would not use it as duty carry ammo, but it should still work for practice ammo. Any dud rounds will give you a chance to practice an immediate action drill. Just be wary of SQUIBS, and if you hear a pop instead of a bang… STOP and check the barrel for obstruction!

Chances are, a gun that just got wet for a few hours can be saved. But a gun sitting submerged a few days may be toast.
If you have any pics of flooded out guns, send us some before and after photos that we can share on our page. We would love to see the results. Hope this helps.

Academy Sports is buckling to political pressure, even though they had nothing to do with the Orlando terror attack.

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They are removing from shelves and displays all “MSRs” (modern sporting rifles such as the AR), all MSR accessories, and any firearm the resembles a MSR (like a S&W M&P15-22). So they are removing mags, rails, and Magpul stocks form shelves as well. But they will still sell the MSRs on line and presumably in store. Soooo, they won’t display them or advertise them, but they will sell them. Hypocritical.

In response Daniel Defense is refusing to sell rifles or gear through Academy. By pulling this stunt, Academy is not helping the Second Amendment. The Turd in Orlando had Glock on him during the attack, as well as a Smith and Wesson .38 in his car… Yet the Glock and Revolvers remain on display at Academy Sports.

Consider that when spending your cash.

Addicting Info – Open Carry Texas Leader Does ‘Daily Show,’ Assures Members He Didn’t Say Anything Too ‘Extremist’

Addicting Info – Open Carry Texas Leader Does ‘Daily Show,’ Assures Members He Didn’t Say Anything Too ‘Extremist’.

What is he thinking?!? We have discussed CJ Grisham and Open Carry Texas (OCT) on the show more than once. CJ’s intentions seem to be honest and supportive of OC, but his actions and comments unusually cause more problems than they solve.

Well, here he goes again. He agreed to appear on the Daily Show with John Stewart… Let that sink in a bit. John Stewart is very anti gun, and the Daily Show in notorious for editing an interview to make the subject look like an idiot. It does not matter how well CJ prepared, or how well he answered, it will be edited out of context. Period.

CJ claims he recorded the whole interview himself to prevent any misunderstanding. So what? The damage will be done, the Daily Show version will be shared across the net, and the only folks who will see the unedited version will be OCT supporters who already side with CJ. The anti gunners will plaster the edited version everywhere and millions of undecided or moderate 20 year olds will get the message that OC is a fringe freak movement. Damage done.

We as 2nd amendment proponents need to get our message out to the media. We need a broader audience. But we don’t need to stick our foot in a bear trap on purpose like CJ is doing. It is the same thing as when Jeremy Alcede went on Piers Morgan, or when Tex Grebner went on Tosh.0 a few months back. Both were edited to look like buffoons. You can bet money that will happen again…

Jason

Drones, Airspace, and the Law

So, we talked drones and privacy last week in a post and on the podcast. A NJ man used a shotgun to shoot down a privately owned drone that was hovering and taking photos of a new house that was under construction. The shooter was promptly arrested and his shotgun seized.

Needless to say, we a GOTR do not recommend shooting up into the air if you see something hovering over your yard. Deadly force should be reserved for deadly threats. Having your picture taken is not a “deadly threat” to you or your family.

The question did arise as to what are your legal rights to the airspace above your property. Well, SCOTUS laid that out in Unites States vs Causby 1946. Causby was suing the government for building a airstrip near his property, and noted his farm is in the glide path of landing planes. He said that pales flying over constituted the unlawful seizure of his property.

Causby cited an old Latin common law phrase, “Cuius est solum, eius est usque ad coelum et ad inferos” (Latin for ‘whoever owns [the] soil, [it] is theirs all the way [up] to Heaven and [down] to Hell’), as a principle of property law, stating that property holders have rights not only to the plot of land itself, but also to the air above and (in the broader formulation) the ground below.

But, in 1946, SCOTUS issued a decision that “us est usque ad coelum et ad inferos” has no legal authority in the United States when pertaining to the sky. A man does not have control and ownership over the airspace of their property except within reasonable limits to utilize their property. Airspace above a set minimum height is property of the Masses and no one man can accuse airplanes or other such craft within of trespassing on what they own.

Now, it was still not a total loss for Causby. Per Wiki:
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The court noted in his specific case that Congress defined the “navigable airspace” in the public domain, as that above the “minimum safe altitude” which varies from 500 to 1000 feet depending on time of day, aircraft, and type of terrain. Since the aircraft passing over Causby’s property were at 83 feet, the court determined the flight path was an easement, a form of property right. Because the government had taken the easement through private property, Causby was owed compensation under the Takings Clause.

The court’s decision, authored by Justice William O. Douglas, could have resolved the case on a narrow ground by simply holding that there was a taking of land because the government’s flights affected the land. Justice Douglas did reach that conclusion, but then he went much further and opined on what airspace landowners do and do not own. He wrote that “if the landowner is to have full enjoyment of the land, he must have exclusive control of the immediate reaches of the enveloping atmosphere. Otherwise buildings could not be erected, trees could not be planted, and even fences could not be run” . . . Thus, a landowner “owns at least as much of the space above the ground as he can occupy or use in connection with the land,” and invasions of that airspace “are in the same category as invasions of the surface.”[1]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Causby
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In the case of a drone flight, we do not have a SCOTUS opinion yet.

Since private drones typically fly below 500 ft, one could argue an intrusion… But that argument stands a better chance in court if you are not shooting up in the air. Remember, just because can, does not always mean you should.

We present this as a mere suggestion. A bit of case law that has come before. You have to make your own decision, and understand that the decision could have very negative consequences…

Stay safe.

GOTR rant on hate and threats on our pages

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Folks a little rant is coming your way. We at GOTR started this page and site for a few reasons. We want to support the 2nd Amendment, we want to help folks with any questions about firearms or defense, we want to spread facts not rumors, and we want to have fun!

A lot of what we post generates debate. We encourage that. If you don’t agree with us, tell us why. Use facts and cite a source. If you want make joke, make jokes. We love to laugh. We want to hear from our listeners!

What is getting out of hand is hate. Calls to violence or to murder folks, even politicians we don’t like is not needed or wanted. Racial crap is not needed or wanted. Cop hate is not needed or wanted. Specifically, we had a post about an officer being saved by a bullet proof vest, with a comment “most cops are corrupt, fuck them, kill them all.” Jeff’s father is a cop, his girlfriend is a cop. Gary’s father is a cop. Jason is a cop, and his daughter is about to be a cop. You are calling for them to all be murdered?!? Take that hate filled crap over to “cop block” or some other site. Donut jokes are fine, disagreement with police is fine, pointing out police misconduct is fine, but death threats are not. The “Ban Hammer” will come down.

Likewise, death threats about political figures can be screen captured and used on anti gun sites to make us all look bad. Check that stuff at the door. Because we will delete it.

Have fun, joke, voice your opinion, participate, argue with us, disagree with us, keep the hate and violence to yourself.

GOTR Staff